Our survey results are in!

We asked and you told.

We are so grateful to each and everyone of you who took the time to fill in our survey.
We have been completely overwhelmed with responses and can only publish some of your comments.

Here are the results:

If yes, why? (selected responses, not all)

theres none

It’s flooded with Straight people with gender identities or pseudosexualities

Transmen are now populating what once were gay/bi male spaces

Still seems very underground or overwhelmed by trans issues and events

any kind of gay event is always “lgbtqia+++++” and overtaken by straight people

I’m not allowed to participate with other same sexed individuals safely or politically without being labelled a bigot or without being abused

it always centres gender identity

Lesbian events now include men claiming to be lesbians, and sometimes lesbians choose to have these men and defend their rights

I find this difficult to answer, as I have an established friendship network. But if I was new in an area it would be difficult. If I was young it would be a problem. Going to lesbian bars and events was an important part of learning that being lesbian is not just ok, but great. I feel sad that young lesbians do not have this now.

Same-sex attraction is now seen as transphobic and the entire meaning of the community has changed.

None of them are really for same-sex attracted people, and instead seem inundated with opposite-attracted trans people. These also often come with disclaimers that are othering to actual same-sex attracted people, such as disdain towards ‘genital fetishism’ aka homosexuality.

Most, if not all, modern events and culture seem to be centred on gender identity and to be dominated by people who view attraction as based on gender rather than sex, and it’s hard to find other lesbian women in these spaces at all.

Not much around for Lesbians, that are women only.

They are unlawfull. And we all put into the one box lgbtiq++++++++ which i hate.

If no, why? (selected responses, not all)

LGB seem to be the bottom of the list in terms of rights.

There has been a shifted focus away from same sex attraction towards gender identity.

This has eroded the rights of women and homosexual people. The community has become so open that it’s only catering for the group which is the loudest, which is currently trans identified individuals. Trans rights are no longer about ensuring the protection of trans individuals, they are about gaining extra privileges which is harming SSA minorities and women.

They often don’t represent the views of lesbians.There is an enormous ideological and political divide that is wasting all our time.

LGB people have been sidelined in favour of the faux-sexualities and the attraction that isn’t a choice is being redefined as transphobic

Every LGBTIQA+ event is trans focussed

Would like a service that focuses on LGB people.

Anyone who acknowledges attraction based on sex not gender is an outcast to LGBTQ+ organisations. Gender critical people like myself are also regarded as bigots and transphobes by these organisations, because we acknowledge sex over gender.

Most events are directed towards gay men or trans-identified people. Very few events are female-focused and appropriate for (my) children.

Not happy with being associated with radical trans agenda. It is a completely different cause and not really about sexual orientation.

I’ve never been comfortable with the …TIQ+ – most of which has nothing to do with same sex attraction. I hate that they are represented as speaking for me when they don’t. We need our own voice.

These organisations now harm LGB people. They have redefined what it means to be lesbian or gay, to be ‘same gender’ attracted. They have removed our ability to describe same sex orientation. They have enabled a new kind of virulent homophobia in the form of abuse of lesbians and gay men for asserting same-sex boundaries. They have enabled the destruction of spaces where LGB could meet to socialise, including dating apps.

They have pushed the medical transitioning of children and adolescents, and now there are young detransitioners who realise they were simply lesbian or gay, and regret permanent changes to their bodies. This medical scandal is not just harmful to kids likely to grow up LGB, but to kids with other vulnerabilities (ASD, trauma, mental health issues).

They push an agenda that removes the ability of women to self-organise in our interests. An agenda that removes our ability to describe ourselves as women, to collect data related to our sex. and to fight for change – using that data. This agenda has unleashed a wave of misogyny, an attitude that women and girls do not have a right to speak in their own interests. This agenda has now gone so far that those who push it think it’s perfectly ok to put a man convicted of violent rape in the same room as a woman prisoner, turn the key, and lock the door.

I don’t think orgs that market themselves as LGBTIQ+ can be trusted to support young lesbians or gay men. Many of us, due to being gender nonconforming are being told we’re most likely transgender and straight. This does not help at all and only leads to more self-hatred.

They are throwing same-sex attracted people under the bus to validate gender ideology. It is no longer acceptable to be a lesbian. You can only be a lesbian if you validate the egos of men. I cannot even speak about my own experience with gender and sexuality without people chomping at the bit to tell me I’m hateful. Not even in my own family members. Not because they’re “anti-LGBT” but because they’re “pro-trans”

Do you have any suggestions about what LGB Alliance Australia could do in order to best support LGB people? (selected responses, not all)

fight for single sex spaces, sex based rights

Promote as an advocacy group for same sex individuals

Organise talks and events that are exclusively about same sex attraction. Spread awareness about the dangers of gender identity, the medicalisation of it and how it harms SSA people and youth.

Contest the inclusion of TQIA in with LGB. We are same sex attracted- they are not, necessarily. Most people think that so many law reforms being pursued (like anti-conversion) relate to LGB when in fact they relate to trans. And TRA are deeply homophobic. Like many G people I have had to disengage from a transman after discovering that I was with a woman.

Make mandate clear to everybody what gay people stand for and accept. Most of the issues classed as “LGBTQI+++++” have nothing to do with Same-Sex adult relationships.Provide information to the general public about the LGB communitysupport us and hear us and fight for us

Create some online spaces that meet using zoom/skype and create a safe space for people to get to know each other online to better create irl events/meet ups/support/friendships. I live 1.5hrs from a city. And I know a lot of other LGB people don’t have the time or the means to travel around to different events where they aren’t even sure of who will be there or if they will have fun.

Focus both on political lobbying and enhancing LGB social networking

Definitely rebuilding LGB culture away from Trans and queer straight people etc.

Create safe spaces we can be in

Help show people that the LGB is being oppressed and silenced within our own community. Help show that our LG are once again afraid. That the dream our elders had for the younger generation is falling apart all in the name of being “gender inclusive”. Help centre us once more in our own liberation movement, or if that is not possible, show that LGB Alliance is not hateful. Show that an LGB community is essential!

I think the first thing is to represent our needs so that the perspective of LGB interests is not conflated with a gender ideology agenda. This is in large part because I fear a backlash on LGB people if our wagon is hitched to a falling star. I think becoming an alternative voice is probably what I most want to see so that we can distinguish our interests and publicly represent what our concerns are for LGB people and youth from both sides.

Build capacity of grass roots people to learn about issues

Protect single sex spaces. Protect same-sex attraction. Provide spaces for LGB people to meet up and get together. We need so much. Our rights have been taken away.

Maybe hold some events or something to get the name out there more, so that more LGB individuals can find this org as I personally did not know there was an Australian LGB Alliance until very recently.

Political advocacy – meeting MPs. Important they see LGB people who reject queer ideology. Focussed meetings with briefing notes.

Media – getting LGBA known as a ‘go-to’ organisation. Developing relationships with journalists. Building media skills amongst organisers.

LGB ALLIANCE AUSTRALIA LETTER TO THE ABC BOARD

Dear ABC Board Members, 

We are writing to you as concerned members of LGB Alliance Australia, a worldwide advocacy group for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals, about a recent episode of “You Can’t Ask That” which focused on lesbians.

We were very disappointed that an episode focusing on lesbians featured a male who calls himself “Rosie”. Rosie is clearly male and talks about his penis and using his penis as a “lesbian”. As lesbians, we are highly offended by the assertion that a male can be a lesbian or that lesbians should include males in our communities and our dating pools. 

We were also appalled that a bisexual woman (i.e. a woman attracted to both males and females) was included in an episode about lesbians, discussing how much she “loves cock”. Lesbians are, by definition, females who are exclusively attracted to other females i.e. same-sex attracted women.

Although these interviewees would be fitting in an episode about bisexuals or transgender people, they should not have been featured in an episode about lesbians. To many lesbians, this episode was as offensive as white people dressing up in “black face” to emulate black people. This is a male dressing up as his interpretation of what he thinks it is to be “lesbian”. It makes a mockery of lesbians who have fought for decades for equal rights and a respected place in society. 

By including both a transgender male and a bisexual women in an episode about lesbians, it also does harm to lesbians by suggesting that lesbians can and do enjoy having sex or relationships with men and/or penises. This reflects the everyday homophobia many lesbians face (straight males trying to convince us to “just try dick”) as well as the horrific practice of corrective rape that targets lesbians (males raping lesbians in the belief this will “turn them straight”), and further echoes conversion practices; that lesbians can indeed date men and be happy – as long as those men identify as a woman.

As this episode provides education and exposure to lesbians for a general audience, it has done great harm to us and our community by showcasing this belief and spreading misinformation. Males who “identify” as women are not and will never be a lesbian; they are, by definition, heterosexual. A relationship between a male and a female, regardless of how either identify, is a heterosexual relationship. 

We do not have any problem with men wearing dresses, nail polish, or engaging in stereotypically feminine activities; our desire is to have a world where all people can be who they are, without prescribing to gender roles. However, we do not believe dressing a certain way, calling yourself a particular name, or doing certain activities changes your biological sex. 

Many LGB people are concerned that our movement, the movement of gay liberation, has been taken over and corrupted by people who are not same-sex attracted and hold views that are hostile to same-sex attracted people. We are being kicked out of our own communities and movement, and branded “TERFs” for protesting at having our rights eroded. 

It did not escape our notice that “TERFs” were discussed in the episode as if they were a separate entity of people, when in reality, any same-sex attracted person that acknowledges the reality of our own sexual orientation, should have the right to set boundaries around who they date, are being branded “TERFs”.We are very disappointed that the ABC decided to air this episode about lesbians, at the expense of lesbians themselves. 

We hope that in the future you can support same-sex attracted people in a meaningful way; in ways that are not offensive to us and does not erase us. We are more than happy to discuss ways you could do this or to be consulted in the future around this.

Regards, LGB Alliance Australia

OUR MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THE CHANGE OR SUPPRESSION (CONVERSION) PRACTICES PROHIBITION ACT IN VICTORIA

Our major concerns with the Change or Suppression (Conversion) Practices Prohibition Act in Victoria

  1. The affirmation of gender identity will lead to conversion practices of young LGB youth by “transing away the gay”

Under this act, a young gay boy who is struggling with his attraction to other boys, or non-traditionally masculine interests, may be led to believe that, as a boy who does not adhere to masculine stereotypes, he must not be a boy. If, for example, he enjoys makeup (common in gay drag culture) or has predominately female friends, it could be illegal for a health practitioner or family member to question if his desire to present as a girl is actually a result of his same-sex attraction or non-adherence to gender stereotypes. This is similar to what occurred in the case of Bell v Tavistock (2020), where Keira Bell, now a detransitioned lesbian woman, pursued treatment to live as a man, without her gender clinic exploring whether her same-sex attraction to other girls, among other factors, was influencing her desire to live as a straight man.  

Conversion practices have traditionally been attempts to make same-sex attracted individuals heterosexual: by making affirmation of gender in all circumstances mandatory, more young LGB people will be supported to transition to become “straight”. As the majority of young trans-identified youth will grow up to re-identify with their biological sex as same-sex attracted adults, provided they are not pushed down an affirmative medical pathway, this act cements the conversion of young LGB youth through transition.

  1. The Equal Opportunity Act (2010) will be amended to redefine homosexuality and bisexuality out of legal protections

The act included an amendment to change the definition of sexual orientation in the Equal Opportunity Act from “sex” to “gender”. As such, homosexuality and bisexuality have been legally eradicated in this process. Homosexuality, which we understand as exclusive same-sex attraction, will be redefined to attraction to persons of “the same gender”. Bisexuality, which we understand as attraction to either sex, will be redefined as attraction to persons of “more than one gender”.

Sex is the binary categorisation of male and female (noting that rare conditions of disorders of sexual development, otherwise called intersex, do not alter the fact humans are a sexually dimorphic species). Gender is a subjective feeling based on one’s own identity. Sexual orientation is based on biological sex i.e. lesbians are attracted to other females, and gay men are attracted to other males. “Same gender” attraction defines lesbians as having the potential to be attracted to anyone who calls themselves a woman – including males with intact penises. Lesbians have been disproportionately affected by the influx of males into lesbian spaces and social pressure for lesbians to accept males as sexual partners – provided they identify as women.

The definition of “same gender” attraction suggests that lesbians can be attracted to males, and that gay men can be attracted to females; the concept of which is deeply homophobic. It also suggests that sexual orientation is not immutable and unchangeable; the very basis for why conversion practices are so horrific, as we know this is not the case. It implies that, should a lesbian come to terms with her sexual orientation while in a heterosexual relationship and prepare to “come out” and leave her boyfriend, should her boyfriend decide he now identifies as a woman, this heterosexual relationship is instantly transformed into a lesbian relationship and the lesbian should have no reason to leave her male partner as this is no longer in conflict with her sexual orientation.

This erodes the rights of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals – as well as heterosexuals – to define their sexuality on their own grounds, and removes the rights afforded to sexual minorities on grounds of sexual orientation. Conclusions Although recent laws banning conversion therapy have been touted as a win for the LGB community, these bills have deeply disturbing negative consequences for lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals due to the inclusion of gender identity in this act, and the redefinition of “homosexuality” and “bisexuality” to no longer be based on attraction to people of the same sex.